I want to say something, but there is nothing in particular that I want to say.

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A description of my current state.

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toki pona

mi wile toki. taso ala li lon tawa wile toki mi

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Toaq: Shao jí, lä kuq já sá raı, kéo, shao kuq jí sía raı.

Notes about the translation

This translation uses the (c 1) definition of «shao».

This sentence is an excellent example of scope, and my translation in particular makes use of scope creep.

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Vordynian

"Orāgmïa’na kan'rrıhar, kace x̄a-mët kÿnre mıh orāgmïa'na rrıhar."
/ʌrɑːgmiɐ̯ʔnɐ kɐnʔɽ͡rɪħɑr, kɑt͡ɕɜ χɑmət̚ kɘnre mɪʱ ʌrɑːgmiɐ̯ʔnɐ ɽ͡rɪħɑr/
want-I something-say but not-be anything that want-I say

Bargirian (Warning, long agglutinative words.)

"Sînû olousômarhîakkmaorâın, šao woîrôumaorâınka'sînûolousômarhîakk."
/siny olʊsømɑrχiɑ̯qmɒræɪ̯n, ʂɒ woi̯rɤmɒræɪ̯nkɑʔsinyolʊsømɑrχiɑ̯q/
I want-say-something, but not-is-something-for-I-want-say.

Kentauri

"Ğamûnım jjâmıt an̦kôsã, ad vıħ jå̄ħe sūma řařp̒ıāğãn kd ğamûnım jjâmıt."
/ɣɑmʉnɪm ʝɒʊ̯mit ɑ̃kɔsɐ ɑd viħ jɒːħɜ suːmɑ ʀɑʀpʼi̯ɑːɣɐn kədə ɣɑmʉnɪm ʝɒʊ̯mit/
want-I say something, but there is nihil generally which want-I say.

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Forwarding here my reply in the LLL server:

Toaq

Shaotaq jí, lä kuq já sá da, kéo shaotaq kuq jí sía da.
want_to 1 [PROP_SUBR say LAM ∃] ASR however [want_to say] 1 ∄ ASR
“I want to say something, but nothing is such that I want to say it”

Or alternatively,

Shaotaq jí, lä kuq já sá da, kéo sía nä shaotaq jí, lä kuq jí hóa da.
want_to 1 [PROP_SUBR say 𝜆 ∃] ASR however ∄ CLE want_to 1 [PROP_SUBR 𝜆 RSM] ASR

(PROP_SUBR ≝ property subordinator; CLE ≝ cleft; RSM ≝ resumptive pronoun)

Lojban

.i mi kaidji lo ka cusku su'o da .i ku'i no da zo'u mi kaidji lo ka cusku da
FENCE 1 want_to GNR PROP_SUBR say ∃ x FENCE ∄ x PRENEX_TRM 1 want_to PROP_SUBR say x

(GNR ≝ generic reference article, PRENEX_TRM ≝ prenex terminator)
In the first sentence, the final ⟪su'o da⟫ can technically be dropped, it shouldn't change the meaning.

Nahaıwa

Iŋıpá, ıhackʰuŋıpá.
ı-ŋı-pá ı-ha-ckʰu-ŋı-pá
ASR;SEN꞊want_to:ERG-say ASR;SEN꞊NEG-∃:ACC-want_to:ERG-say
“I want to say, ” “there is not a thing I want to say”

(I haven't yet a morpheme for “but/however”)
The second sentence could alternatively be:

ıŋıpá kïyayá.
ASR;SEN꞊want_to:ERG-say ACC-∄-NTRᵢ-thing

The first strategy uses head-marking with a quantifier extensional prefix on the verb; the second strategy uses dependent marking with a nonexistential determinacy on a dummy noun “thing”.

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I think you would need ⟪da⟫ or ⟪ꝡa⟫ before the ⟪kéo⟫ there. Otherwise, it remains within the ⟪lä⟫-clause.

Hmm maybe ⟪kéona, ꝡä…⟫ is safer actually… :thinking:

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Ithkuil IV (my best attempt at least)

maloalói malačbêips malžëillarţ

Literally: I want to utter for linguistic communication, but there exists an inability to utter for linguistic communication due to a compete lack of neccessary utterance

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Kot Wawa:

mí li wìl-án dòk, sat ále li ɰɒ̀ɻ-án gòtmí.

  • mi |li wile-ta( toki |taso< ale |li wile<=ala-ta( toki<-mi
  • 1 |does want_to-say |but everything |does NEG=PASS=want-act_of PASS=say-1
  • "I want to say (something) but everything I don't want to say."

Snvsdr Dhv:

mé fē drsrbsnvsdr, r̄n dr mō mé fē kvsrbsnv.

  • /m̥é ɸē dɤ̀sɤ̀bsnœ̀sdɤ̀, ɤ̄n dɤ̀ m̥ɔ̄ m̥é ɸē gœ̀sɤ̀bsnœ̀/
  • mi |li sona-ta-pona<-ta-pana-ta-tula, |mute<=ala sona |ma mi |li sona=ala-ta-pona<-ta-pana
  • 1 |does experience-act_of-benefit_from-act_of-emit-act_of-experience |finds_to_be_one experience |is_where 1 |does NEG=experience-act_of-benefit_from-act_of-emit
  • KW: "mí li zòn-án nòp-án nàt-án zòn, kæɲ zòn la mí li ɣɛ̀ŋ-án nòp-án nàt."
  • TP: "mi pilin e pona pi pana pilin. taso, pilin la mi pilin ala e pona pana."
  • tuki tiki: "mi tula i pula pi upi tula. a, tula la mi tula ala i pula upi."
  • lit en: "I feel that I would benefit from sharing my experience. But what I experience I don't feel the benefit of sharing."

Toki Pona (direct translation):

mi wile toki, taso ala li wile toki tawa mi.

Poki Pona:

miwil tatok, wetas alawiji liwil tatok mijowa.

Theavenev Antitemp:

M'wil thea, thace lale wil thea the me.

  • /məˈwɪl θiː, θeɪs leɪl wɪl θiː ðə miː/
  • "I want to speak, but nothing is wanted of speaking to me."
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Aninu kiaslu ikeoni, eya neve finasaslu onit eta anin kiaslu

I want to word some thing, but not exists thing that I want to word

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Kepase: (subject to possible future change)

CI kusu CI muli NO NO ALA ge CI kusu TOGO

me tell me want ∅ ∅ ∄ there’s me tell □∃!

roughly “I want to make me saying something to someone be true. It is necessary that I can only say that there is nothing to someone.”

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does this work? still trying to improve my understanding of kinds

Shao kuq jí báq raı da. Kéo, shao kuq jí sía raı.

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I'd tend to think this use of ⟪báq⟫ works, albeit I'm not 100% sure.

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Loratep: letawen tokam ipysku tasje ipys fetjettja en letawen tokam njaesom.

Gloss: INF-want say-1SG thing-ACC but thing ADJ-specific REL INF-want say-1SG NEG-be-3SG.