trigger-based alignment is kinda loglangy?

Like I'm just thinking about it. IDK loglangs very well but looking through grammars for tagalog and working on my own trigger-based conlang is having me thinking like. It's kind of loglangy? Like I think I remember a thing in lojban where you front information by changing the x1 to something else and then everything else kind of shifts in hierarchy.

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What exactly do you mean by triggers?

Actually I am also planning to do Symmetrical Voice in Suhkro, my loglang project.

However Suhkro is SOV and I don't know whether SOV natlangs also do that, but I don't care that much about naturalism.

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Check out astronesian alignment. There are generally three base grammatical cases: direct, indirect, and oblique. The trigger on the verb tells you what type of semantic information (agent, patient, or an oblique like locative or instrumental information) the direct object of the verb is. so changing the trigger will change what the entire sentence means.

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I'm not really sure how a language with trigger alignment can have subjects or objects. Because like, those grammatical categories are pretty nominative-accusative, aren't they? I prefer using I D and O for indirect direct and oblique when talking about word order.

Like people usually say that Tagalog is VOS by default but that's only because the patient triggers are the most common, and Tagalog is really VDI (verb direct indirect). I could be remembering the specifics wrong though that might not be super accurate.

Also SVO VOS etc doesn't work well for tripartite, ergative, split, etc languages either imo. the meaning of "subject" is "either the sole valent argument of the intransitive verb OR the actor of the transitive verb" and object is "the patient of the transitive verb"

wikipedia seems to call whatever is in the direct case the "subject", and I was following that usage, although my use of "object" would mean a noun in ergative case can be the object, so perhaps that usage isn't very good (suhkro splits ergative and accusative, unlike tagalog which merges them into indirect)

suhkro word order for monotransitive verbs is direct-accusative-verb in actor voice and direct-ergative-verb in patient voice

wikipedia is kind of weird for that tbh... and so are linguists who do that... it's giving eurocentrism (this isn't just something I'm randomly saying; my professor has said similar things about analyses using the term "subject" for languages like Menominee)

You might be interested on Latejami (whose other name MTIL, Machine Translation InterLingua, will already tell you that it's very loglangy), which bases its entire derivational system upon this.

I wrote a very short and incomplete description in my "shamu does a clong" thread, because I am currently also working on a (probably) loglang that will use this type of system.

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Also, on further reflection, I don't think any alignment is particularly loglangy. Lojban's system is not a necessity for loglangs, for example. E.g Toaq has pretty universally VSO word order.

A loglang can do its thing more or less independent of what order the verb takes its arguments (or in which way that order can be modified), I would say.

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oh I see! hmmm okay